Opinion? What's that?

Some of you may be aware of the "three strikes" plan recently approved in France, where suspected copyright infringers are liable to be banned from the internet for up to a year if they persist after two warnings, and failed efforts to push similar laws across the entire EU a few months back.

Not content to be rebuffed, proponents of the laws have put them back on the table in Brussels, where they were set to be voted on yesterday. No news seems to be available online yet about how it went (any Europeans visitors have details on that?). 

Is banning pirates from the internet going too far, or is it justified? It seems that no amount of DRM ever deters them for long, so perhaps cutting them off from their sources entirely would be the solution to large-scale piracy. Or maybe it just might drive them underground, and result in innocent users being banned on suspicions only. What do you guys think? Could this possibly work, or will it only make matters worse?


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on Jul 09, 2008
Actually they can be pirated by On hardrive+iso+custom firm wire+?????= Win!
on Jul 09, 2008
I just have one question: if pirates are banned from the internet, what will become of Sir Starkers?

on Jul 09, 2008
OK, this thread needs time to cool off.  The personal attacks need to stop now.  I will open the thread again when we feel a mature discussion can be held.


on Jul 09, 2008

So don't bet on it saving you money - Theft diminishes supply and demand in a balanced fashion both the supply and the demand are reduced, and the change in price is going to depend on the elasticity of the market

Did you learn all that from a state school econ class?

Software piracy does not reduce supply, just demand. Prices should go down, huh? No. Here's what really happens: Companies stop making the games people love and enjoy. Games cost a lot to make. The price that goes into making one comes from creative talent invested. Whose going to make a lunch and then give it away?

One more thing. Pirates, stop ruining our creative culture you diseased bastards. Don't know if a game is going to be good without trying it? Ask a friend. Can't afford it? America is a disgustingly rich country, and I don't believe you. You just don't want to make a sacrifice.

on Jul 09, 2008
Nobody likes sacrifices and who wants to buy a game that has a price tag of 70-100 bucks.
on Jul 09, 2008
Dark Knight - we are debating a "Change in the Law". It is therefore not, by definition, "The Law".

Second of all - you obviously don't actually *know* "The Law". Or you would know that the law distinguishes between a "Threat on someone's Life" and an obvious attempt at humor. The question is would a "Reasonable Man" feel threatened by a person saying they were going to beat them about the head and shoulders with a wiffle bat.

You are welcome to argue that a reasonable man would - take it to the FBI, I'll happily donate my time. I wanna see it - actually, I wanna tape it, for later edification. I mean really - Simultaneously talking about how big and bad you are cuz you're a weightlifter *and* how you have a gun to protect yourself against those random wifflebat attacks?

I suppose I could be justifiably accused of ad hominem attacks if I asked just how many wifflebat fatalities there have been in your parent's basement - {G}.

It is not however an ad hominem attack to say you're an ignorant twit - Get *OVER* yourself.

Because you've gone to such enormous lengths to establish that - at this point it's simply a fact.

Jonnan
on Jul 09, 2008

A few hours have passed.  Those who have been spoken to...and temporarily 'removed' due to unacceptable behaviour are now cooling their heels in reflection.

The thread's re-opened...

on Jul 09, 2008

Breaking rules...and being removed from net access...as the EU wants to do is quaintly no different to what site Administrators do on a 'more local' level.

Piracy is not a legal enterprise...so will invoke some form of punishment if/when convicted.

The most effective punishment [other than capital] is either crippling financial, or physical access/capability, or both.

Provided ONLY the guilty are punished...and there's no colateral damage then who really gives a rat's arse?...

on Jul 09, 2008
A few hours have passed.  Those who have been spoken to...and temporarily 'removed' due to unacceptable behaviour are now cooling their heels in reflection.
The thread's re-opened...


Can we get an explination as to why there were three posts while the topic was "closed", then posting was not an option for some time after it was "opened"? Not that anyone needs more heckling from the peanut gallery, but if there's a "parting shot" window, I'd kinda like to know about it   
on Jul 09, 2008
Can we get an explination as to why there were three posts while the topic was "closed",


People are slow typers or they found the Joe User backdoor.
on Jul 09, 2008
It's probably quantum, Willy.
on Jul 09, 2008

Can we get an explination as to why there were three posts while the topic was "closed",

It can happen due to an individual's cache.  If there's a particularly important reason that there be absolutely no 'late comments' they're deleted from the thread...

on Jul 09, 2008
Can we get an explination as to why there were three posts while the topic was "closed", then posting was not an option for some time after it was "opened"? Not that anyone needs more heckling from the peanut gallery, but if there's a "parting shot" window, I'd kinda like to know about it   


My apologies - I started a posting from work (I have a job as a Turing Test), became sidetracked by those people that pay me (Shakes fist in air!) and when came back I finished, hit post, and became aware that I had accidentally violated the moderator cooling off period. I presume the same happened with the two prior to me.

So no, it was not intended as a 'parting shot', but I can understand why it might be perceived that way.

Jonnan
on Jul 09, 2008
I have a job as a Turing Test

That's a joke right?
on Jul 09, 2008
That's a joke right?


If you don't know, I suppose I passed - {G}

Jonnan
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